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  Matty1357 | 4 days 18 hours ago | reply
  A pencil thats like a dollar something at the local shops is actually sold to them for like 13 cents each or some absurd figure like that, so they aren't even making a double profit.
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  xsynergyx | 4 days 18 hours ago | reply
  It's not a huge profit, like you mentioned, Matty, but I like how since they have no competition in their hard drives, thus, they can play with the price however they choose.
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    iLLmatic | 4 days 17 hours ago | reply
    The prices for both their hard drive and their wireless adapter are unacceptable. The profit IS huge, because you have to think about how many of them they are selling. The reason I highly favor the PS3 hard drive is because it isn't proprietary. You can get any laptop hard drive on the market, MUCH larger than whats available for the 360, and for a better price. The WiFi is also built in. Why is it that a PSP, which costs $160, has built in WiFi, but Microsoft thinks they are justified in selling just an adapter for $100? Its ridiculous.
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      xsynergyx | 4 days 17 hours ago | reply
      Sorry, for not clarifying, I meant huge as in ratio, like the pencil example. $50-$80 is a big profit per unit, I do agree.
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      Cdemon | 4 days ago | reply
      You act as if Microsoft are the first to price their first-party accessories ridiculously high. Remember when the PS2 first came out? $50 for an 8mb memory card? Yeah? $50 for a wired network adapter?
      
      And guys, you're seriously naive or know nothing about manufacturing a product if you think Microsoft pockets that total difference. They probably make $20-$30 per HDD sold... which is still huge for a single unit, yes, but that's how these companies are able to lose money/cut even/make a small profit on each console sold: FIRST PARTY ACCESSORIES.
      
      Finally, the X360 wifi adapter conforms to 802.11a, 802.11b, and 802.11g. The PSP uses the slowest (802.11b) wifi. The best the Wii/PS3 offer is the slightly better 802.11g. The X360 is the only one to support 802.11a (let alone the other two).
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  Sonic Flash | 4 days 6 hours ago | reply
  It's interesting to note that MS and Apple now share the same sense of prprietary ownership in their products. By eliminating third party or non-firsty party addons they're screwing their price over. Further, the modern economy is based on specialization to lower costs as opposed to making everything yourself.
  
  360 HD: $100 for 20G
  External HD: $100 for 500G
  
  If they weren't using their own products and struck a deal with some other company they could be offering 25x more space in their products.
  
  To cover my bases: "Atleast the 360 HAS a harddrive unlike the Wii".
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    Final Blade | 4 days 4 hours ago | reply
    _{I think they should be offering more space in their products. But that my opinion though.}
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  tallteen86 | 4 days 2 hours ago | reply
  IMO, they never should have started with 0 and 20GB....They should have started on the lowest end ('core') with the 20GB, and had the 'premium' with say, 60GB.
  
  YES, I realize this is mimicing the PS3, BUT on the other hand...
  
  The PS3 should have started with 40GB or 60GB (They are doing the 40GB thing now though).....The PS3 is more multi-media friendly, so I sure as hell could use more than 60GB of space....I could have put in my own HDD, but meh....Didn't have the extra cash for it....
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  Sonic Flash | 2 days 9 hours ago | reply
  Oh? And the 360 doesn't have the ability to play movies, music, download game patches and extra content and completely new games from their download service? I don't see why the 360 is on any less need of extra storage.
  
  ...and why did someone mark down Final Blade for saying a product should be better? o___O "Things should be good" isn't even an opinion you can reasonably disagree with.