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  Cdemon | February 23, 2008
  Yeah, I love when I post something in favor of the X360, it's labeled as a "rumor" even though this guy just got back from a huge breakfast with Microsoft execs, all of whom gave these answers to questions asked by the selected media personel.
  
  GG.
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    Subzer0 | February 23, 2008
    It was labeled as a rumour because it is. I would believe this if it came from a reliable source.
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      Cdemon | February 23, 2008
      How is a dude typing down bullets as he's getting the information straight from the metaphorical bird's mouth not a reliable source?
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    Guticb | February 23, 2008
    Allow me to quote the article:
    
    "It will be bigger than a lot of people think. GTA3 Vice City and San Andreas were basically expansions of GTA3. Think of the DLC that way. We are talking major expansion for GTAIV".
    
    It does not say "SAN ANDREAS SIZED EXPANSION, OMGZ!", it states think of it as if San Andreas and VC were GTA3 expansions, and expect something like that. Microsoft never specifically stated "The expansions will be San Andreas sized!". This guy has zero quotes directly from them. It is a rumor, and nothing more.
    
    Trying to title it "GTA content to be as big as Vice City and San Andreas" without mentioning that it's a RUMOR and UNCONFIRMED is simply a fallacy.
    
    Also, your description was edited as it was clearly biased.
    
    Edit: Also, if it were San Andreas sized, don't you think Microsoft would have a press conference to brag about it?
    
    San Andreas took 3 years to make, do you seriously think they're gonna put something San Andreas sized as an EXPANSION? It wouldn't even fit on the Hard Drive.
    
    Edit 2 : If you wish to debate this, PM me.
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      Cdemon | February 23, 2008
      It says San Andreas and Vice City were expansions to GTA3. Then it goes on to state that you can expect something of that magnitude for the downloadable content.
      
      You're on the GameGrep staff, Gutic? Haha, pfft... no wonder this *bleep*ing thing is so damn biased towards Sony. If I see one more list giving me five/ten bullshit reasons as to how (insert Sony positive here) is going to occur in the future, I'm going to go on an Elvis-impersonator killing rampage... mmm, those were the days.
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      Donnelly | February 24, 2008
      I look forward to guti restoring his message for a second time, after it's received 10 thumbs down.
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    Capn Droid | February 28, 2008
    Possibly the most thumbed up comment on Gamegrep.
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  Armed Rebel | February 23, 2008
  Seeing "expansions" as big as Vice City would be *bleep*ing amazing. I hope this is the truth. The one thing that sucks about GTA's is the story ends. This would make everything so awesome.
  
  And LOL @ this being labeled under the PS3.
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  Tock | February 23, 2008
  first its episodic content, which sounds like a few extra missions.... and now its something that will double the size of the game (if it is indeed the size of san andreas).... and whats this nonsense about no price has been discussed....what happened to the 50 million?....... fishy
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    Xenctuary | February 23, 2008
    Valve's shot at episodic content worked out pretty well with Half-Life 2 (save for delays with the latter chapter). It might be possible!
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  jmac353 | February 23, 2008
  It doesn't even make sense. Do you people honestly think they're going to have extra content as big as Vice City or San Andreas?
  
  Did you even stop and think about what that would entail?!
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    Cdemon | February 23, 2008
    Did you stop and think that maybe that's why Microsoft spent millions upon millions to get this content (and apparently any other content) exclusive?
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      Red 9 | February 23, 2008
      You honestly have no clue how a game is made. If the expansion was as large as Vice City and San Andreas the game would need a huge amount of time to be made. Rockstar isn't going to spend all their time working on DLC anyway; something called 'they actually have a full game to make'! Think about it; DLC as large as 2 games? That would nearly triple development time.
      
      Also...no DLC for PS3? Am I reading this article right?
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        Krunal | February 23, 2008
        I'm fairly sure that what the article is saying is that the downloadable content that's going to be on the XBOX360 is going to be exclusive, which means if the PS3 gets any downloadable content... guess what, it'll be exclusive too
        
        That's a big if though.
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        Donnelly | February 24, 2008
        It won't get any beside's new guns/cars/etc...
        
        And that'll be available on 360 too.
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      Guticb | February 23, 2008
      Hmm, lets see how plausible this could be.
      
      San Andreas took about 3 years to make, and it wasn't in HD.
      
      You expect them to make not one, but TWO addons the size of San Andreas for the 360, yet have them still be able to fit on the 360's HD? San Andreas was 9 gigs on the PS2, what makes you think that an HD version of it would be any smaller?
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        Red 9 | February 23, 2008
        Exactly my point. DLC that big is just over-the-top considering the size of a standard console Hard Drive. The PS3 might be able to handle it, IF it were on the disc itself, thanks to Blu-Ray. But however you look at it, DLC that big is just ridiculous. It would surely spurn some RRoD's, no doubt.
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        Incidnia | February 23, 2008
        Actually San Andreas was 4-5GB's on the Xbox, which had better graphics and sharper textures. The PS2 version was smaller than that.
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        Xenctuary | February 23, 2008
        You're forgetting a large portion of the game's size is probably down to the engine, textures and other core data. I would think once all that is already available to the user, the new content just has to piggyback onto it. But we won't know whether that's true for a while, of course.
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        Cdemon | February 23, 2008
        Do you seriously think San Andreas took three years to make? Haha, no. Halo 3 took three years to make. Gears of War took three years to make. San Andreas was released after Vice City due to the fact that Vice City was still breaking every type of sales record two years after its release.
        
        C'mon, now... You're making this way too easy.
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      jmac353 | February 23, 2008
      Yeah Cdemon, they might have spent tons of money, but even tons of money can't speed up time. How on earth could they finish something the size of a full blown stand alone game in the same time it's taken them to make the main game?
      
      And no, I guarantee you Microsoft had no idea what kind of content they were going to get, they didn't care, they just wanted exclusive content period.
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        Cdemon | February 23, 2008
        An expansion the size of Vice City or San Andreas simply means a new city/area/map. That can definitely be done within a year of the game's release.
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        Krunal | February 23, 2008
        I still don't see where in the article they mention "map the SIZE of Vice City/San Andreas". They say it'll be LIKE that, but I'm fairly sure he didn't mean it in terms of the size, but HOW the Downloadables will fit in.
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  reaver11 | February 23, 2008
  Why are you people trying to find the tiniest *bleep*ing excuses to degrade the 360 version? Is it because the PS3 version isn't getting what the 360 is? So what? It'll obviously get some of its own DLC, just not this. So stop saying shit like "oh it can't do that because SA didn't do that". You don't know that, and you don't know what the hell is coming. So ease off.
  
  And yeah, spending that much money on exclusive DLC, I'd make DAMN sure it was big. I doubt MS wasted millions of dollars for a bunch of pretty new cars, weapons, and missions that'll be completed in less than 2 days.
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    Red 9 | February 23, 2008
    You're missing the point entirely. We're not bashing any version, we're just wondering how DLC that big could work. Besides, why wouldn't PS3 owners be a tad annoyed that we'll be missing out on this allegedly 'huge' DLC?
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  iLLmatic | February 23, 2008
  As I stated in the GTAIV(PS3) forum, I'm extremely skeptical of how they can make such a large addition and release the first episode only a few months after the actual game. That would mean one of two things: 1, GTA IV was finished a long time ago, R* lied about the delay and have been working on the DLC all this time, or 2, someone is just hyping this up to be more than it is.
  
  Now, I've personally been saying I had a feeling this content would be larger than most thought, since it was first announced. However, something just doesn't fit. I'm just having a really hard time understanding how such a large expansion can be done so quickly. It really doesn't make sense to me. Then, there is a quote in there somewhere about how the price is completely up to Rockstar. Now, that could possibly be in the contract, BUT I have an even harder time believing that Microsoft has nothing to do with putting a price tag on something under their proverbial belt.
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  Coi Cki | February 23, 2008
  The size of San Andreas was 4.9 Gigabytes, not 9, FACT...
  And yes, the PS3 isn't getting the episodic content, but I'm pretty sure there will be downloadable content for PS3 as well.
  
  To me, it seems absurd to think that the episodes would be as large as San Andreas... It would more than double the size of the game. iLLmatic, that's a pretty good point in the first part of your message. What if...?
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  somedude01 | February 23, 2008
  I don't understand why all these DLC things are so hard for people to understand. When they said the episodic content was like an island. They didn't mean you were getting an island added to the game (they actually said that it was "not literally an island"). They meant there would be a new storyline separate from the main added to the original game. So now for this expansion to be as large as san andreas or vice city, they mean there will be new missions added that total in LENGTH to the size of those games. There will DEFINATELY not be a map as a huge as san andreas added to the game. I'm still skeptical about the size of the content, but it is not impossible to implement added missions to that degree, just unlikely.
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    Krunal | February 23, 2008
    Finally someone whose actually grasped what the writer was talking about when he mis-chose his words. I'd love to see Sony's reaction to this rumour as well as R* who I'm sure will be the ones to say "uhh that's false" either that or the editor clears up his mistakes.
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  Incidnia | February 23, 2008
  Considering $50million was spent on making these exclusive, it's a no brainer than we aren't getting some new cars or guns plus 10 more missions. We are getting entire chapters, and in GTA games chapters are long, usually the length you are on an island for, so that's 30-35 missions sort of magnitude there. Though I don't think there will be new physical locations. That would put a great strain on HDD space.
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  1 thumbs!

  Existenz | February 23, 2008
  At the end of the day Rockstar have said it already this content is experimental and may not even work as intended, its a risk at the end of the day i mean you complete the game and then some more missions come up and then 9 months later Niko miraculously has another enemy, its just far fetched and thats what Rockstar feel is the risk, they could be killing the main story for Microsoft.
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  Smoke | February 23, 2008
  Microsoft has exaggerated the exclusive content to GTA IV to no end, for a while they were claiming only the 360 would have multiplayer. So... I'm not going to put too much money on it being "as big as San Andreas". If anything, I would say that they'll add content to the likes of Half Life 2 Episode I as far as story goes.
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    slumpy monkey | February 23, 2008
    Microsoft never claimed that multi-player was 360 exclusive.
    It was just the way they wordered what they said made it looked like tey said it.
    
    When they were actually refereing to the DLC and not the multiplayer.
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      ali3n | February 23, 2008
      I beg to differ.
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        Cdemon | February 23, 2008
        "Badly worded sentence" turns into a full-blown rumor?
        
        GTFO.
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        slumpy monkey | February 23, 2008
        Rumours were quick to surface when XBOX boss, Don Mattrick initially announced in the Major Nelson's Podcast that GTAIV would have additional content (yeh we know that) and multiplayer available EXCLUSIVELY on the XBOX360....
        
        ...What he said sounded a lot "multiplayer mode is only in the XBOX360 version", however it seems that it was nothing more than a badly worded sentence, for Rockstar have been quick to point out, that there is no truth to these rumours and that GTA4 will be multiplayer on both consoles.
        
        from the link u posted.
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        Smoke | February 23, 2008
        It wasn't badly worded, I think "Again, something unique to the console" is pretty clear.
        
        I like how every thread like this gets thousands of replies from fanboys at each others throats.
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  tallteen86 | February 23, 2008
  Now, I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade, but expecting a whole area that is pretty much the same size as GTA IV all over again? Not going to happen >_>
  
  For one, the first episode comes out this fall? Where did Rockstar find the time to make both the main story, AND this supposed 'huge' episodic content?
  
  Even Oblivion, with Shivering Isles expansion featuring a world 1/4 the size of the main world....and that cost 2400 MS points, if you make a world that is about the same size as GTA IV's liberty city, that is probably about what? 3400 MS points at least?
  
  Even if Rockstar somehow turned this content out, it'd be rather expensive (worth it maybe, but expensive nevertheless)....
  
  Have those people saying "PS3 fanboys are crying and saying it won't happen because they don't want it to" even thought "Hmmmm, maybe MS was deliberately trying to make it sound awesomely big like this, so I'd buy the 360 copy over the PS3 version?"
  
  It would be awesome to have, but it makes little sense....Even if it uses textures from GTA IV to save space, it would still run at about 2+ GB per content I'd think >_> Doable on premium consoles, but still....
  
  If it does somehow come out, so be it. It may be ridiculously expensive if it does, but it should be worth it....
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  jmac353 | February 23, 2008
  How about I give you the benefit of the doubt and say that this expansion really is the size of San Andreas or Vice City.
  
  Good luck and have fun trying to fit that on your 20gb HDDs.
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    Cdemon | February 23, 2008
    San Andreas and Vice City were under 5 gigs, I believe... and I have a 120gb HDD.
    
    Elite ftw.
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      jmac353 | February 23, 2008
      Lucky for you. How many people out of the millions that own a 360 actually have an elite?
      
      Yeah, San Andreas and Vice City were small, but they were also PS2/XBOX level content.
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      Red 9 | February 23, 2008
      Not everyone has an Elite. You can't just exclude those people like that. The amount of people who own an Elite is dwarfed by the amount who own the standard version; making DLC at that size would be like catering to a niche group.
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        Cdemon | February 23, 2008
        Four/five gigs isn't big at all... that's a third of the usable space of a 20gb HDD...
        
        You can always delete data and redownload it for free if you're not using it. Good job completely missing the point again.
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        jmac353 | February 24, 2008
        What about all the people that get *bleep*ed over by RROD? This is going to suck balls if it's that large.
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        Cdemon | February 26, 2008
        How is that relevant to anything?
        
        At least Microsoft have taken steps to lower the percentage of RRoD's.
        
        Where's the slew of AAA titles, Sony?
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        Donnelly | February 27, 2008
        What a totally pointless and irrelevant RRoD.
        
        What about the people who don't have a big enough hard drive?
        That's not a problem. They can delete and redownload.
        Oh, um, well... erm. RED RING OF DEATH. >=(
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  DragoniteBallZ | February 23, 2008
  LOL at the comments in this article.
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  Krunal | February 23, 2008
  Has anyone forgotten the fact that the map is smaller than San Andreas, and so whilst the add-ons will be big, it wont actually be the size of the entire game, as mentioned so greatly by Guitcb.
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  twilightprince | February 23, 2008
  Poorly worded title, but it gets the point across.
  
  I'm just wondering how much these "episodes" are going to cost?
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  SS4Gogeta | February 23, 2008
  I'm glad I have both versions paid for. This is very believable to me. Microsoft shelled out a lot of jack for the EXCLUSIVE DLC and I'm sure they expect to and will get their money's worth. Speculating on the size of the DLC or how it will fit on the hard drive is premature. So is the development time for that matter. I only wonder how much the DLC will cost. What about the poor souls that have no hard drive on their Core 360?
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  Pyrazor | February 24, 2008
  Honestly I bet all we'll get is mission content about as big as the San Fiero car gallery thing in San Andreas per DLC and not much more.
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  Moonrise | February 24, 2008
  I find it hard to believe they're going to add DLC that's the equivalent of 2 full length games. I'm not talking about maps or anything either, just the missions, etc.
  
  Besides, we all know damn well how the companies love to hype up every advantage they have over the other, so I don't see how hearing this from Microsoft guys is exactly 100% reliable.
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  Silver Mirror | February 24, 2008
  Well if look around NG4 (a news gaming website) they have a article making a number of corrections, apparently the story is the developers being interviewed "thought" it was going to be as big as Vice City/San Andreas, it's there opinion not fact
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  blackfalcon | February 24, 2008
  Dear god, an expansion as big as San Andreas??? Sounds rather unlikely to me...
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  Deadman Rules | February 28, 2008
  I think some people (PS3 fanboys) are forgetting that the DLC will simply be more area to roam and some missions. The engine of the game, all the cars, weapons, and most characters, will be already made. All it is, is a big ass map with more buildings and shit, and will take NOWHERE near the amount of time it takes to make a game from scratch.