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MS's Shane Kim : 360 already owns GTA IV

StarJet | February 09, 2008 | News | Playstation 2 Playstation 3 
Microsoft Game Studios head Shane Kim says at DICE summit that the 360 already owns GTA IV, as he believes, from a content standpoint, because it has the exclusive episodes. What will hardcore PlayStation fans say? He says that the 360 should have the success that the PS2 had with GTA III
“We already own it, I believe, from a content standpoint, because we have the exclusive episodes,” trumpeted studio boss Shane Kim before adding that the “Xbox 360 is still going to have the ultimate experience for GTA IV… we have to make sure the customers know that.”


With Microsoft existing as the only console player with exclusive downloadable episodes for Grand Theft Auto IV, Microsoft sees the upcoming launch as a “great opportunity” for the Xbox 360 platform to mirror the developmental success garnered by the PlayStation 2 following the arrival of Grand Theft Auto III.

Although, that being said, having Sony running alongside during the simultaneous launch of a title many gamers will first and foremost associate with the PlayStation won’t make Microsoft’s job any easier in directing attention to its more rounded package.

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  • 2 thumbs!
    jmac353 | February 10, 2008
    So basically they're trying to tout GTA4 as the ultimate experience on the 360 simply because they get a very tiny additional exclusive downloadable content.

    Honestly. If these 2 extra missions, or whatever they are, are going to drastically make the game that much better then honestly that doesn't say much for GTA4 at all.

    Am I right or what? This additional DLC is not going to make the 360 version worlds better, it just might give you a bit more time to spend on it.
    • 3 thumbs!
      iLLmatic | February 10, 2008
      Well the answer is, no you're not right. They get 2 'episodes,' not 2 missions. Do you really think Microsoft would pay $50 million for 2 extra missions? Nobody ever said these 2 content downloads would 'make the game' either. Countless other games have had extra content; this is nothing new. Did these downloads drastically make the game better? Most of the time, no, they are just extra add-ons that make the experience better. We don't know what the episodes will contain at this time, but its ridiculous to say they're getting very tiny exclusive content.
      • 3 thumbs!
        jmac353 | February 10, 2008
        So is an episode a package of missions i'm guessing? If not I fail to see the difference. Even so, I still think I'm right. Yes, I do believe that the 50 million was a waste for what they ended up with.

        Basically what Microsoft paid for was the ability to say that their version of the game has more, not that their version of the game is better. That's it. From a technicality standpoint they had to add something to the 360 version and Rockstar never sounded too excited about the content that they'll be adding exclusively to the 360 version. It just sounded like they were like, what the hell, sure we'll make some extra stuff for the 360 version if you give us 50 million dollars.

        Microsoft DOES NOT CARE if the content is actually better or not, as I said, they just want the ability to say that they have the "better" experience compared to the PS3 and they were willing to give up 50 million for that ability.
        • 2 thumbs!
          iLLmatic | February 10, 2008
          Like I said, nobody knows whats in these episodes, but its not exactly a shot in the dark to assume that they will contain more than a couple missions. R* actually has already said as much. If you fail to see the difference in that, then I don't know what to tell you. You are also completely out of line to say $50 million was a waste for what they ended up with because once again, we do not know the details of what it is they are getting.

          The one thing I do agree with you about is that Microsoft probably doesn't give a nut about whether or not the content is worth it, because after the game has been bought, it doesn't matter anymore. I also will say that in this competitive business, it isn't a stretch to assume that Microsoft essentially paid for more GTA IV sales. However, once again, we do not know what the download content is. It is possible that this extra content is actually worth it, you know. You really just sound like you're taking shots at the 360, period. What if the download content ends up being a couple of great additions that everyone enjoys? Would that money spent still be a waste? What then?
  • 1 thumbs!
    Red 9 | February 10, 2008
    I've never seen a more arrogant company. And if they think they can mirror the PS2's success, they're in for a surprise. GTA III made the PS2 because you could only get it on the PS2. GTA 4 is multiplatform.

    And jmac, you are quite correct. If they believe two episodes makes it the ultimate experience, think again.
    • -1 thumbs!
      jmac353 | February 10, 2008
      Yeah, I mean GTA4 is supposed to be this MONSTROUS game that can take up copious amounts of your time already, no matter the platform, so in the grand scheme of things these 2 extra "episodes" are such a minor addition.
    • 1 thumbs!
      StarJet | February 10, 2008
      quote
      GTA III made the PS2 because you could only get it on the PS2.
      It was out for PC. I'm sure of it coz I played it on PC. And as I've heard, it came out for the XBox as well.
      • 0 thumbs!
        Guticb | February 10, 2008
        It came out for PC and Xbox about a year after it came out for PS2.
  • -1 thumbs!
    iLLmatic | February 10, 2008
    My whole take on this download content is, I'm a bit confused about what Microsoft is doing (or not doing) with the promotion. Like the above article suggests, the average gamer most likely associates GTA with PS2. GTA IV comes out in a very short time and if I were in Microsoft's position, after paying so much for this content, I would have been promoting the hell out of it for months now. Yea we all know that both consoles get the game on the same day, but I think if they want to really boost or just maximize sales, then they should be telling the masses why the 360 version is the better buy. For people who don't necessarily keep up on gaming news on the net, it could go unnoticed. I really don't know what Kim means by saying they "already own GTA IV."
    • -1 thumbs!
      Guticb | February 10, 2008
      The problem is, if they promote the hell out of it, and it turns out the game isn't as good as it was supposed to be, then Microsoft hyped the hell out of a game that was disappointing, and everyone will be saying "Well, Microsoft told me it was good!".
      • -2 thumbs!
        iLLmatic | February 10, 2008
        Do you think they [Microsoft] care?
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          Guticb | February 10, 2008
          If it ruins their reputation even further, then yes, they will care.
        • 0 thumbs!
          Final Blade | February 10, 2008
          The fact is they don't, but they should. Because not promoting it would actual help PS3 version more so then the 360 version. And to add on to what guitcb said, if people buy it and it turns out to what jmac353 stated, Then they basically will lose money and will be a waste. Again we don't know what it will be like you said, but it must not be much if they aren't promoting it.

          I just think its more of a Gloating saying yeah we got more episodic content then you do, but if they don't tell people it wouldn't mean anything at the end of the day. And if this continues the ways its going, the PS3 one will end up selling more, because this game was a PS3 exclusive, and like DMC4 people would most likely state it feels better on the PS controller.

          Although i could care less to be honest, im still going to get it on the PS3. And since PS3 is also getting the DLC 360 getting theirs means nothing to me.
  • -2 thumbs!
    Pyrazor | February 10, 2008
    Meaning that GTA IV will primarily be considered an Xbox game or a game that if you were to get, you'd do on the Xbox.

    The DLC is a pretty big deal though. With that on board, Rockstar can essentially keep releasing new missions to keep us plenty busy. Liberty City is a big place and I'm sure there's a lot more than what's in the game that they can come with it for Niko to do.

    Since it looks like it's going online to some degree, they might exploit that too. I look forward to see what Rockstar has planned.
    • -2 thumbs!
      jmac353 | February 10, 2008
      Wait a minute, Rockstar has said nothing about continuing support for continuing DLC for GTA4 have they?

      Also, if they have, I haven't heard anything that's said that the PS3 couldn't also get DLC in the future, it's just that they would never get these 2 exclusive 360 episodes.
  • -3 thumbs!
    Red 9 | February 10, 2008
    M$ only has rights to 2 episodes. Rockstar is free to make whatever they please on PS3 outside of that. For all we know, they might even make an entirely different pair of episodes for PS3. Y'never know.
  • -3 thumbs!
    shaka | February 10, 2008
    And you see alot of nintendo and microsoft fanboys always saying Sony execs are errogant ??? look at this guy and reggie over a nintendo or america, they are alot worst.
  • -2 thumbs!
    Existenz | February 10, 2008
    Let me just say this Rockstar Games have already stated on countless previews. GTA IV without DLC can last for over 900+ hours just running around having fun and doing missions, add in online gaming and you have infinite game time, all without additional content, that said its pointless... And any Xbox 360 gamer thinking this content will be cheap has another thing coming, chances are it will cost about $30 a pack, just going by how much they charged for people to buy like 7 online maps for GRAW back in the day.
  • -1 thumbs!
    Auctoria | February 10, 2008
    I think your over exagerating. $10 at most. Unlike the GT5 Prolouge which is like Ł20 for a demo of the game.
    • -2 thumbs!
      Existenz | February 10, 2008
      GRAW's 7 map pack was originally like 1700MS points which is over $10, and these packs are meant to be much much bigger, hense why i said $30 plus MS paid $25 million per pack, they need to recoupe that and make a profit, meaning these packs will not be cheap, they will most likely be like the Shivering Isles expansion which was expensive and absolutely short in the grand scheme of the game itself.
    • 0 thumbs!
      Guticb | February 10, 2008
      Prologue is 5 tracks forwards and reverse, as well as 40 cars and 16 player online. And don't forget about GT:TV. Hell, they could get away with selling it as a full game if they wanted to.
  • 0 thumbs!
    Slumpy monkey | February 10, 2008
    Short?? are you fking kidding me.
    It was like a whole new game. Ive played longer in SI than the normal world
  • -3 thumbs!
    Storm | February 10, 2008
    I'm pretty sure, if I read correctly, that the $50 million on the exclusive DLC was just an advance, and that Microsoft will have to pay more soon to meet the rest of the price they agreed on.
  • -4 thumbs!
    regice | February 10, 2008
    I have no doubt that 360 owns GTA IV
    • 0 thumbs!
      iLLmatic | February 10, 2008
      That statement is really just showing their cards. They do not own GTA IV, its really just a puff out your chest opportunity. It would be different if 360 was getting GTA months in advance, like with the PS2. Numerous people are still going to buy GTA on PS3 on the same day as 360.
    • -2 thumbs!
      Red 9 | February 10, 2008
      Please tell me you're joking. Why would you believe this?
      • 0 thumbs!
        iLLmatic | February 10, 2008
        Joking about what.......?
      • 0 thumbs!
        Red 9 | February 11, 2008
        I replied to regice's post, I guess we posted at the same time. Sorry 'bout the mix-up.
  • 1 thumbs!
    LordMaChao | February 10, 2008
    This is ridiculous. How can extra content be anything but a GOOD thing? I just don't understand.

    If this was Sony exclusive content, would people like exitenz, jmac and guitcb still downplay it? Haha, it's amazing to me that some people are so desperate they're trying to convince me EXTRA CONTENT will be short, cost $1,000 and don't matter because the game is 900 hours long, despite not having any evidence at all. Insane.

    If you have a 360 and a PS3, why NOT choose the 360 version? They both run the same, but the 360 will have more. It doesn't seem like a difficult decision to me.

    I'm left scratching my head, here.
    • -1 thumbs!
      Guticb | February 10, 2008
      I don't recall downplaying it. It was a cheap move on Microsoft's part, but I have NEVER said that extra content would be bad.

      Nice try though.
    • 0 thumbs!
      LordMaChao | February 10, 2008
      I like how I still get thumbs down for saying extra content is a good thing. Same three tards thumbing anything that doesn't praise Sony.

      I'm sure you love the fact this content exists, guticb. "It's a cheap move, Microsoft could be hyping a bad game, blah blah blah, but I'm not downplaying it."

      Perfect sense. Good effort.
      • -1 thumbs!
        Guticb | February 10, 2008
        What I said was:

        -Bribing for bragging rights = cheap move
        -Microsoft SHOULDN'T hype the content just in case the game isn't as good as they promise.

        Never did I say that the downloadable content is pointless. Hell, if it was coming out on the PS3, I would buy it.
        • 0 thumbs!
          Seproth | February 10, 2008
          GTA not good is a laugh first off. I promise that Rockstar won't release a bad GTA. If it's not good they'll delay it(again) to make it good.

          Bribing?! Do you know what bribing is? It's not this. How do you think PS2 got GTA VC and SA before xbox? By paying for exclusivity. I fail to see the difference.
        • -1 thumbs!
          Guticb | February 10, 2008
          Sephroth, many people hated San Andreas and said it sucked compared to Vice City and 3.

          And it was bribery.

          Bribe - A payment made to person, often a government official such as a customs officer, to induce them to treat the payer favorably.
        • 0 thumbs!
          Seproth | February 11, 2008
          Technically it's a bribe, I'll give you that. But not really. A bribe in practice is illegal. This falls more under the category of a purchase.

          Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it's bad. Even if you hated San Andreas you must admit that it was a great game. It had no load times. Improved upon the GTA formula. Even if it took it in a direction you didn't like.
        • 0 thumbs!
          Storm | February 12, 2008
          A bribe? It's just what smart businesses do to show off their products and such better. Make deals with other companies, do anything to be better than the competition.

          I'm pretty sure that Microsoft didn't put 50 large on the table when they met with the GTA IV team to discuss DLC...it was more like an agreement.
      • 0 thumbs!
        Final Blade | February 10, 2008
        No Existenz said DLC is pointless since this game can be played over 900+ hours alone and i agree. The others are actually saying DLC is fine, but should be promoted more and such.
  • 0 thumbs!
    jmac353 | February 11, 2008
    LordMaChao that's not entirely true. From my perspective this additoinal content is simply irrelevant.

    As I said GTA4 is supposed to be this massive game, a game that's larger than any game before it, and I fail to see how two small "episodes" are going to add that much to this game.

    It would be different if they had like, an extra island or something, more buildings to enter but quite frankly they don't.

    I would be downplaying this if Sony were saying it too if the tides were turned. This is simply an example of corporate might trying to show their superiority with dollar signs, nothing more. No doubt Sony would be doing this as well if it were the other way around, it's just not bright to buy into it as a consumer.
    • 0 thumbs!
      Final Blade | February 11, 2008
      How the hell do you know what the DLC is, when GTA fans all over the world don't have a clue. The only ones that due is MS and Rock Star. So before you start making wild claims i suggest you wait before stating that.

      For all we know this DLC is very big and probably will have an extra island in fact i believe it will i think that much is confirmed. This isn't bribery and trust me i thought that as well, this is just business and this is how they can get more people to buy their version over the PS3. Thus giving the 360 an advantage.

      MS knows most would buy the PS3 version so they make exclusive content that they paid for, not bribed, in order to get more fans to buy their product. Its no different then any other company would do to win. And like most had said before, which i have to admit its good business tactic.

      Sony will be getting their own DLC whether its paid or free who knows. So i see no faults in this move its a smart business move, stop crying about it.

      My only problem is the marketing of it, but thats going to be their fault if they fail to do so.
      • 0 thumbs!
        jmac353 | February 11, 2008
        Please provide some proof of this stuff. You believe an extra island has been confirmed? Is that so Finalblade?
        • 0 thumbs!
          Guticb | February 11, 2008
          It hasn't been confirmed, but a while back, they said they wanted to do "Island-like" downloadable content for the PS3.
        • 0 thumbs!
          Final Blade | February 12, 2008
          From what i remember from ChiroVette in the GTA4 forums i could have sworn it was confirmed for 360, and a different island for PS3.

          But still it doesn't negate the fact you think this is bribery and its not, its a business and they are trying to get more people getting their version with content they paid for.
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      Bri | February 11, 2008
      I'm in full agreement. Silly, minor differences between PORTS of the same game is just a backdoor for more than one company to turn a profit. Downlodable content is great, but if it supplements a bad game, then it won't be worth anything.

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