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  Vito Raliffe | June 28, 2008
  I think it's funny he said he wasn't even aware it was coming up.
  
  Anyways, if they wanna show it off, they should do so at the Penny Arcade Expo!
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  Tenken | June 28, 2008
  Can anyone blame them for not showing it at E3? That show is just a shell of it's former self.
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    VeGiTAX2 | June 29, 2008
    Yeah because it totally loses importance because of the lack of booth girls to appease your eyes.
    
    If 3D Realms was concerned about pitching this vaporware to the retail industry they should have had this at the front of their list along with any other major convention, basically they should be riding the circuit like crazy hoping to boost pre-order sales by the retail sector.
    
    Yeah, it's just a shell though. right.
    
    In terms of importance, it's still a large deal for retail and press to work out things behind the scenes without having to travel the country to meet each and every group. Boo hoo that john smith newly employed gamestop lackey can't get in anymore.
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      Gothic Girl | June 29, 2008
      Exactly. E3 is still the biggest game expo of the year, even if it is just a "a shell of it's former self".
      For a game company to say that E3 is "irellevant" is a joke. It's the best time for a game company to show their wares, and 3D Realms obviously don't have anything to show so they're pretending that E3 isn't important.
      
      I got a laugh out of the "Duke Nukem Forever is swimming along nicely" comment. If it were, then it would have been released ten years ago. A game that takes this long to produce isn't "swimming along nicely".
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        VeGiTAX2 | June 29, 2008
        Well you have to look at it from their standpoint. Having absolute minimal progress for 8-9 years and then actually producing tech demo videos of the game working multiple times is pretty much a huge change of pace for them.
        
        I'm sure just getting in the door and turning on their PC's is huge for them each day.
        
        "Bob, you won't even guess what I did this morning..."
        
        "What, what did you do?!"
        
        "I... I powered on my desktop..."
        
        *gasp*
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      Tenken | June 30, 2008
      Oh yeah, because I was referencing the E3 of the past few years. I'm talking about the mid 90s. Comparatively, it's still a shell. The basis is there, but the companies appeal isn't.
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        VeGiTAX2 | June 30, 2008
        The E3 of 2007 was a nightmare of sorts, but the years prior and this year are a lot more controlled again for the presentation.
        
        Saying years is inaccurate really, 2008 hasn't happened yet and prior to that 2007 was the first actual departure.
        
        It gets further complicated because reporting isn't done from a marketing standpoint to retail groups buying your product to deliver to their stores or anything really even remotely close. Instead it's just talk about booth girls, the products and who had the coolest free stuff. I'm not saying we're any better at neo but part of that is simply because we don't run a gaming store and we really don't get much insight anyway into that window outside of the publishers and devs talking about how it is important to make a successful pitch at these events so the companies buy their product in large volume to begin with instead of speculating.
        
        3D Realms tossed their credibility away years ago as they became a walking joke in the industry, they realistically have no room at all to go shooting off about how something is irrelevant when they need to pitch this game to make up their existing debt. If 3D Realms was in any position to brush off major events they wouldn't have been traded around by publishers multiple times over the years.
        
        Again though, a shell is subjective, if you miss the booth girls go to a car show. If you miss live bands go to a concert, if you want free stuff go look on craigslist. The show was never about insane spectacle but the massive injection of average joes with nothing to offer ended up making it a primary concern when it never should have been.
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  Taker4ever | June 28, 2008
  They should release this and Chinese Democracy at the same time. Cross-promotion ftw.
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    MusiKon | June 28, 2008
    Or have them packaged together as a limited time bundle.
    
    Seriously, it's not like no one saw this coming.
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  Jaw Knee | June 28, 2008
  Haha "irrelevant".
  
  *bleep* you Scott Miller.
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  BANDITO ATTACK | June 28, 2008
  duke nukem forever is irrelevant.
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  Storm | June 28, 2008
  It will take 'forever' to show footage of this game, let alone eternity until we can get our hands on it.
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  Aussie Legend | June 29, 2008
  Darn it, now there is pretty nothing at E3 that interests me after Activision pulling out.
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    VeGiTAX2 | June 29, 2008
    Activision is actually still going to be down in LA, basically somewhere right around the LACC to get journalists at the show to go out for a few hours to their event.
    
    Hopefully their conference is a bit more structured and not a punch to the face like last year was.
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  Final Blade | June 29, 2008
  _{LAWL its not like I was expecting them to show any of it at E3. Tenken makes a point though, E3 isn't what it used to be back in the day.}